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Post by monkey66 on Oct 12, 2009 13:06:09 GMT -5
One of these days the muffins will do exactly that, and the innocents will be boned.
We should try and figure out the OOA, so's to determine whether RP should take exploder/lighthouse or Godfather.
If he gets scanned before he steals, he should take one of the first two. If not, Godfather.
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Post by refinedpenguin on Oct 12, 2009 13:17:40 GMT -5
You're kind of overreacting, TSO. This isn't as bad as you're acting. Yes, you're dead, and RP will likely be scanned. But stop freaking out.
The plan I outlined will work. Jarmo will die tonight, and MBM will almost assuredly die the next night. Even if she doesn't at least we'll know more about what sorts of protections are out there.
Only one of seven muffins has been found. We're still ahead of the curve, and I'm as close to being confirmed innocent as one could expect for someone who hasn't claimed a roll or been scanned, since Jarmo is PMing me hidden info. We're still in a very good situation.
We probably should have killed MBM yesterday, but we weren't sure she was unprotected. We made a judgement call, and it backfired because we didn't know she was gonna get new scans, but we'll deal.
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Post by refinedpenguin on Oct 12, 2009 13:18:53 GMT -5
One of these days the muffins will do exactly that, and the innocents will be boned. We should try and figure out the OOA, so's to determine whether RP should take exploder/lighthouse or Godfather. If he gets scanned before he steals, he should take one of the first two. If not, Godfather. It says order of actions will be based on order received. If MBM's scan is trule a day action, RP will definitely have taken godfather by the time he is scanned. If it is a night action, then we have no way of knowing for sure.
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Post by monkey66 on Oct 12, 2009 13:23:02 GMT -5
I really wish somebody had taken Driver.
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Post by pubertybop on Oct 12, 2009 13:23:55 GMT -5
I think I'm just going to play it safe and take exploder.
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Post by monkey66 on Oct 12, 2009 13:29:09 GMT -5
Then you should wait until just before night. If MbM's scan is a night action, it's preferable for you not be scanned as an exploder, on the offchance that someone can block or negate your explosion.
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Post by metraxis on Oct 12, 2009 13:52:10 GMT -5
That's a balsy post, thrower. How do you plan to prevent a backfire?
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Post by refinedpenguin on Oct 12, 2009 14:02:43 GMT -5
If I get lynched, I get lynched. I'm supposed to get lynched, in fact.
That being said, I've made the argument before - and I think its a true argument. It really DOESN'T make sense for the innocents to kill TSO now, even IF they were sure MBM was innocent.
I don't think I'll be burnt over it. I'm mostly trying to keep the waters muddy and, in fact, continue acting as if I don't know everything, since it is out of character for me to just be like, "Yup yup, TSO is muffin, BAM!"
Anyway, I got a PM from crunch saying:
"MBM is innocent.
From our Seer."
This means two things:
a) there is someone with scans out there still alive!?!
b) They have the ability of anonymous PM!?!
This is very bad news.
I'm unsure if Wavedash was really roled. He said he had roleclaimed, but I think he may have just been being ambiguous. I sort of feel it would've been better to hide blizzire and keep wavedash so we could find out Wavedash's role. Too late now.
But yes, so we have not 1 but 2 seers to deal with.
EDIT: Unless of course MBM never was the Seer, and has been funneling somehow.
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Post by tso on Oct 12, 2009 14:09:43 GMT -5
I'll admit I'm being a tad pessimistic, but you're dropping some possibilities in your plan. We don't know that Jarmo is who is he says he is, and I'm working with the thought that he isn't. Jarmo doesn't strike me as the kind of player that would just walk up to you and give you all that information like that, so I'm thinking along the lines of you being baited.
As for your wall of text, you overlooked the fact that the others are aware my action won't show up if I'm really the smuggling muffin. The plot indicates if I smuggled or if I didn't. I don't see a third option there.
If I'm coming across as overreacting, it wasn't my intention. I'm trying to look at the possibilities that we appear to have dropped, since we can get boned over them.
Edit: I'll admit that your public point that I'm "as harmless as a puppy" does make sense.
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Post by metraxis on Oct 12, 2009 14:10:36 GMT -5
The reputation is more damaging than the ability, So best to still kill MbM.
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Post by refinedpenguin on Oct 12, 2009 14:13:06 GMT -5
Jarmo could be baiting me, but I'm not sure to what purpose. How does it help him? Do you think he's an exploder?
Honestly, its a lot more reasonable he is what he says he is than he's funnelling for the role stealer. That's just ridiculously complicated.
Even if it were true, what would you suggest we do differently? Raving about crazy possibilities isn't gonna get us anywhere, and I think it makes a lot more sense to act on what is likely to be true than what is not.
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Post by tso on Oct 12, 2009 14:13:56 GMT -5
Fair enough. Your plan is the best we have then.
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Post by refinedpenguin on Oct 12, 2009 14:18:36 GMT -5
Worst case scenario, we kill Jarmo today, we find out he wasn't the role stealer, and I'm outed. We get a night of darkness from my death than we can use to off MBM or the other Seer (whom I suspect is Chalupa).
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Post by metacom on Oct 12, 2009 14:19:58 GMT -5
The major problem with killing MbM is the potential protection. Hence why we need to off Jarmo. But I haven't sent in any lists yet, so right now I say Jarmo, but I'll wait a bit longer to make a final decision.
EDIT: you guys post to fast <_<
The anonymous pms and scans are scary.
Though it may just be someone who is pretty sure MbM is innocent and has anonymous pms--claimed to be a seer just so you'd believe him, but really is just very sure of himself. By itself anonymous pms aren't that intimidating, so I don't know if anyone would pick JUST that as a power, but it is a possibility.
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Post by pubertybop on Oct 12, 2009 14:31:37 GMT -5
Ugh, I'm thinking if either Jarmo or MbM are killed, ToS is going to get lynched.
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